(2/2): Sorry I ran out of characters to use. And the main characters are white and straight because that’s how the author wrote them. It was supposedly a twilight fan fiction but she altered the characters. And it’s not considered porn because it’s a romance novel, an erotic romance novel, but still.
lmao i’ve read the first book they were all rhetorical questions thank you for doing this though i needed to get all my frustrations with this stupid ass book off my chest.
it’s all nice and well to pretend the book was about love, but the way it and the movie were marketed was obviously completely centered on the supposed “sexual deviancy” of Christian Grey. if you ask anyone off the street, no one would tell you it’s a love story.
it was most obviously marketed to housewives and young girls as ways of escaping their boring marriage and figuring out their budding sexuality, respectively. No matter how much you want to say different, the book was marketed by manipulating women into buying and enjoying it. not to say you can like it of your own free will, but you’re probably not enjoying it for its lengthy metaphors and heady symbolism.(here are a few links which try to explain why they find the book popular, but i can’t really find a common consensus other than sex) this is also not to say that this exploration of sexuality is a bad thing. it is beautiful and it is healthy and every woman deserves to branch out and experiment with whatever form of sex (or lack thereof) that makes them feel the most comfortable, safe, and helps them receive pleasure.
this is my main rub in the book: it is not about love and sex in any sort of way that could be construed as healthy or okay. people who are participants in the BDSM community (dominants included) have spoken up about why the “bdsm” in the book is not safe, and why it shouldn’t be written about and geared towards young women. anastasia is a virgin, and introverted, and suffers from a poor relationship with her father. christian preys on this in anastasia, finding her receptive to his advances because of these things. that, in case you couldn’t tell, is being a sexual predator. (and way to be a complete dick to people who do have issues with male figures in their life. you guys are vulnerable- ha ha ha!) more than anything, the relationship in the book is toeing (and usually stepping over) the line of abuse.
that’s why i am so mad and sad and every other emotion in the rainbow about this book being so popular and becoming a movie. i’m afraid of what young women will internalize based on the relationships on this book, and i’m even more afraid of what young men will start to do because of what they’ve learned from a movie that can’t portray female sexuality in a way that is safe and progressive.
bdsm in its true form and exploring sexuality is good. the bdsm and sexuality in this book are bad.
(the reason he’s a dominant, by the way, is because he was abused as a child. how dare you make a connection between those who have experienced abuse and those who find comfort in a dominant personality. it’s fucked up to automatically connect people with past abuse and people who now can’t function healthily in a relationship. and E.L. James is fucked up for making that connection even more mainstream. fuck her.)
TL;DR: don’t defend this fucking book.
also “the main characters are white and straight because that’s how the author wrote them” has to be the most white and straight answer i could have ever heard thank you so much
my disinterest in writing male characters of any kind is becoming pretty damn inconvenient tbh
I don’t know if I can…I would love to, but first it’s extremely complicated and it’s difficult to do the topic justice, but more than that, it’s kinda terrifying. If I make a completely impartial video that does not condemn or condone either side, I will literally get death threats from individuals on both sides for not taking their side. I’ll probably get a ton of hate just for answering this ask. I mean, there aren’t bombs dropping on my city, so maybe I should just deal but, yeah…there’s not a lot of good discourse on this topic because both sides are so vehement as to make it feel dangerous to even discuss it.
Given the potential for tension between the brothers, how important will Dean’s “I’m proud of us” line from the end of last season be for them as they move forward?
JC: I think that moment, for me…he was essentially saying, “I’m proud that we got to the point where you were going to essentially let me walk to my death”…the bond they felt there in that moment, this carries on to the beginning of this season, with the same intensity. It very much influences where Sam starts this season, how Sam treats Dean when he does find him, and how they deal with each other. (X)
Ahahaha what?! Well thanks Caver for making that line make EVEN LESS sense, I did not think that was possible!
Sam DID NOT ‘let’ Dean walk to his death, Dean let himself walk to his death because he refused to trust Sam and punched Sam out and leave him on the side of the road, rather than let him help fight Metatron! What the actual fuck!
At this stage I’m just blanking out all the repeated “real monster” stuff ah sweet, sweet denial….
Hmm. I mean, I’m glad he clarified it to a degree, because there has been some meta I’ve seen floating around here about those lines that I never could get on board with. I thnk they knew it was a possibility Dean could die using the blade. Sam agreed after the “that’s not a bomb, that’s my brother ” line that using the blade was the best idea and he was going to back Dean up. What sealed Dean’s death was him not allowing Sam to go with him.
So I guess they are seeing that there’s this level of trust between them that they can do what needs to be done even at a risk? Unlike where we were at the end of s8 where what needed to be done was interrupted because Sam would die. (???) So maybe they mean he can be proud that they tried for what was best no matter the cost like the were unable to do before????
How that line is going to affect and influence Sam throughout s10 really baffles me. But …. idk okay. Maybeit means he’ll do what he thinks Dean would be proud of or…?
idk. This didn’t upset me. It’s just interesting.
This makes less than zero sense though like… Dean’s proud that he and Sam are falling out?! Dean’s glad that Sam got to a point where he was ready to let Dean just die? (which… he wasn’t by the way omg JC have you even read the scripts you write?!!!)
I just…literally every single spoiler or tidbit from interviews this past week has evoked the same eye-rolls and rage and general ‘absolutely done with this bullshit’-ness from me.
If you were to look at a list of all my favourite characters from a few years ago, it wouldn’t take you long to realise that the vast majority of them are male. Similar to what seems to be the consensus in fandom.
Now wait a second Maddi! you scream, Before you jump in here to say that I’m sexist for liking all these male characters you should take into account the fact that the vast majority of characters in TV shows I like ARE male. There are hardly any female characters to love!
And you’re right; this is a perfectly valid point - there are far too many shows and movies and books that revolve almost solely around men. Particularly cis, white, attractive straight men. Just take a look at a list of my favourite shows (which includes Supernatural, Merlin, Sherlock, Hannibal etc.) All of these shows have an absurd amount of screen time for the
attractive cishet white men at the expense of their often very limited number of female characters.
The problem is - what are the makers of these programs going to see when they look at fandom? While there may be criticism of their misogyny, and calls for an end to queerbaiting etc. the thing that’s going to jump out at them the most is that these male characters of theirs are absurdly popular, while there few female characters barely get a flag-wave from the darkest corner of the fandom.
This is a cycle. It’s not your fault; I’m not placing blame on you or any part of fandom for starting. These issues are a lot bigger and a lot older than any fandom. But it is a cycle, and you are a part of it. Therefore you have an obligation to try and break it.
Which is why I’m encouraging you to love female characters. Even if, generally, they aren’t your cup of tea. Love them. Adore them. Cherish them. Protect them. Viciously.
Delving into the wonders of critically analysing fictional characters of all kinds, I came to the realisation that I connect to male characters far more easily. I can’t help it, I just do. Give me a male and female character who are, in essence, exactly the same, and while I’ll appreciate the woman for all her splendour, the man is who I will really connect to. He is the one who I’ll get all the feels about. He’s the one who will capture my attention.
Barring two women I can think of (Susan Ivanova [Babylon 5] and Kira Nerys [Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]), the ‘feels’ I get about women are more of the admiration and adoration type. I love them from a distance; somehow detached from my affections for them. I admire them, but do not see myself in them in the same way I do so well with male characters.
And why does that happen? Because misogyny. Because 90% of the protagonists I’ve been introduced to throughout my life are male; I know them well, I know how to react to them, I know how to connect to them. Because the misogyny perpetuated by popular media, and even these TV shows I love so very much, has been internalised.
And it is something we all have a responsibility to actively de-construct. Which is why I make a very conscious decision to love women, and to love female characters; to fight for them and explore them. It’s why I believe that shows like Orange Is The New Black, and Orphan Black need all the love and attention you can give them. Because that kind of female representation (and diversity in general) is so damn rare.
Now, all that being said - I’m not the fandom police. I’m not telling you what you can and can’t enjoy, and how you’re supposed to do it. But I’d like you to consider the effects of your contributions to fandom, and the internalised misogyny they may reflect. I’d like to encourage you to analyse your own actions and feelings, as vigorously as you do the motivations of your favourite character, searching for the internalised misogyny that is almost certainly there. And when you find it, rip it out. Shower it with feminist ideology. Turn it into something positive. And make purposeful, conscious decisions towards ending misogyny in the fandom, and in fiction in general.
an ideal date would be eating takeout dinner in our pjs while watching Netflix and you play with my hair